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Globalization hits the Fan

by Steven D
Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:22:18 AM EST

Update [2008-10-6 9:59:18 by Steven D]: DOW Jones Industrial Index down nearly more than 300 400 500 points since the opening bell. [editor's note, by Steven D] NYSE Trading would be suspended one hour if there is an 1100 point decline in the DJIA before 2:00 pm today under current NYSE rules.

And $600 Billion Dollars of US assets frozen in UK bankruptcy involving Lehman Brothers.

Update [2008-10-6 10:10:33 by Steven D]: Bank of America settles lawsuit for mortgage fraud, agreeing to modify troubled mortgages which were originally generated by Countrywide with $8.4 Billion Dollars in interest and principal reductions for 400,000 customers.

Europe ( and Asia, too) gets the flu from America's shit pile:

Shares in London and the rest of Europe crashed today in what dealers were calling another "meltdown Monday".

The FTSE 100 plunged when trading began and had fallen by 6% by mid-morning. By midday it was 271 points lower at 4708.5, off 5.5%, putting the index on track for one of its worst day's trading ever. There were equally sharp falls in other European markets and in Asia overnight as Europe's banking sector was rocked over the weekend by a series of crisis talks and amid fears over the stability of Iceland's economy.

Billions of pounds were wiped off the value of Britain's banks. HBOS fell 16%, or 32p, to 169p and Royal Bank of Scotland shed 26p to 160p, a 14% fall. Mining firms also fell heavily, with analysts predicting lower demand for metal with many major economies threatened with recession. [...]

The German government astonished its fellow European nations – and angered the UK Treasury – last night by unexpectedly announcing that it will guarantee all retail savings deposits. The move is an attempt to prevent an exodus of savers, but it also undermined efforts to develop a single Europe-wide approach to the crisis.

The European leaders agreed a £12bn rescue package for small businesses at their weekend meeting. But Germany's unilateral approach has disappointed the City. [...]

The uncertainty has left investors worried, leading to heavy selling in the world's stock markets. In Japan the Nikkei fell 4.25% to a four-and-a-half-year low, losing 465.05 points to close at 10473.09. Russia suspended trading on its MICEX index after shares fell by 15%.

I bet this is not what the the traders on Wall Street wanted to hear before the US markets open today. Not in the least:

NEW YORK (AP) -- Financial markets around the world had a rocky start Monday after European governments took steps to limit the damage from the growing global financial crisis. U.S. stocks appeared headed for a steep drop at the opening, and the credit markets remained under strain.

Investors are realizing the Bush administration's $700 billion rescue plan won't work quickly enough to unfreeze the credit markets, and that many banks are still having difficulties gaining access to cash.

Over the weekend, governments across Europe rushed to prop up failing banks. The German government and financial industry agreed on a $68 billion bailout for commercial-property lender Hypo Real Estate Holding AG, while France's BNP Paribas agreed to acquire a 75 percent stake in Fortis's Belgium bank after a government rescue failed. [...]

The Federal Reserve also took fresh steps to help ease seized-up credit markets. The central bank said Monday it will begin paying interest on commercial banks' reserves and will expand its loan program to squeezed banks.

"These programs are going to be effective I believe," said Rob Lutts, chief investment officer at Cabot Money Management. "Shorter term, we're in a very challenging environment that's going to take a while."

In the meantime, global markets sold off. In Asia, the Nikkei 225 closed 4.25 percent lower. Europe's stock markets also declined, with the FTSE-100 down 2.72 percent, Germany's DAX down 5.04 percent, and France's CAC-40 down 5.501 percent.

So much for that magic bullet known as the $700 Billion Dollar Bailout. Investors are voting with their money, and banks are voting with their refusal to extend credit. The Fed seems more and more irrelevant each passing day. Who in their right mind would want to be President right now? We already know McCain is an unstable personality. Maybe Obama should crank up that old time liberal religion a little bit. Start quoting FDR more in his speeches. Recycle that famous Depression era campaign theme song Happy Days are Here Again. Because going with what the establishment has advised us to do ain't cutting the mustard, Mr. Obama.

I'd be running ads tying Republicans, McCain and Bush to Herbert Hoover about now if I was the Obama campaign's chief strategist.

"The fundamental business of the country, that is the production and distribution of commodities, is on a sound and prosperous basis."2 (October 25, 1929 -- the day after the Black Thursday stock market crash.)

"Any lack of confidence in the economic future and the basic strength of business in the United States is simply foolish. Our national capacity for hard work and intelligent cooperation is ample guaranty of the future of the United States."3 (November 15, 1929.)

"I am convinced we have now passed the worst and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly recover."4 (May 1, 1930.)

Sound familiar? And I'd be talking up a blue streak about "liberal" values of dignity and jobs and protecting ordinary people, as opposed to the values of Greed and tax cuts for the rich, and "Lobbyists Gone Wild" which have been the staples of the GOP approach to governing this country over the past 30 years. You know, the policies of giving Big Business whatever the hell it wants, including half the Federal Treasury by privatizing government, and the Devil take the hindmost?

But hey, what do I know. I'm only some moonbat liberal fascist with an internet connection.



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I absolutely agree about the FDR references. Just the use of his name makes me feel safe again.

My sister and brother-in-law, who've been lifelong right-wing Republicans, are trying to find hospitalization insurance for my brother-in-law. He's about sixty, a lifelong smoker and drinker and is losing feeling in his extremities. They kept voting for the politicians that dismantled every part of our social welfare system. Do they understand? Probably not. They'll probably go down thinking that somehow the illegal aliens took their hospitalization.

by Bob In Pacifica on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:29:39 AM EST
So, the Democratic nominee is the candidate promoting personal responsibility and that makes him a fascist. What does that make Reagan's "welfare queens driving Cadillacs" comment?

Visit me at Tunnel Traveller
by Teacher Toni (tacoralatyahoodotcom) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:37:14 AM EST
What does that make Reagan's "welfare queens driving Cadillacs" comment?

Answer: A Saint of course.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:42:20 AM EST
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I think a new, new deal is the only way this country will prosper again. That Moonbat site is downright scary and I wonder what will happen to these people once Obama wins. Will they ever judge him on the merits of his policies or just always slander him on subjective motives? It is disgusting.

Blue Tidal Wave
by Mac G on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:44:40 AM EST
It is from that cesspool of people that death threats and assassination plots against Obama arise.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."
by Steven D on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:49:13 AM EST
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Projection.

When the stock market fails to rise 5000 points with Obama's election, he will be blamed for the "Obama economy".

Nobody will remember that it was Bush's fault.  But Obama will take the blame for it.

More at Zandar vs. The Stupid.

by Zandar1 on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 11:47:06 AM EST
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The bailout actually has to use some of the $700 billion in order to unfreeze credit.  Psychology alone will not do it.  It will be at least a month before he's ready to do auctions.  As I said during the debate, the fact that it will take a while before the bailout can even get started makes it all the more critical to pass a bill, because wealth is going to evaporate at an increasing rate.  And it isn't just the wealth of fat-cats.  It's people's retirement savings and small businesses that provide most of the jobs in this country.

It's the seriousness of this crisis that led me to support a plan that I don't like, because I don't like to play political games with people's savings and jobs.  

by BooMan on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:49:54 AM EST
Personally, I think they waited a year too long for any bailout plan to work.  If they'd done this last year it might have made a difference.  But we are in a free fall now, where fear and lack of trust trumps everything.  The reverse of irrational exuberance, if you will.  What we really need is something far more radical: re-negotiation of mortgages based on current market values and rates.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."
by Steven D on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 09:54:36 AM EST
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I agree with you on both counts, except that I'm not ready to despair, and that the mortgage renegotiation thing will not work fast enough to avoid a credit freeze.  A proper bailout would work both ends...unfairly benefiting some mortgage holders just as much as it unfairly benefits some predatory loaners.  But the first thing that is needed is some capital.  Once the government owns all these vulnerable loans, they will have the incentive to renegotiate terms, but that isn't a way to put a quick infusion of cash into the credit markets.  
by BooMan on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:04:24 AM EST
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See update above.  Bank of America is already agreeing to modify mortgages it acquired in its acquisition of Countrywide at a cost of $8.4 Billion.   The Fed or Treasury should be doing something to encourage this approach among other lenders while legislation is created to make it a requirement.

I'd also like to see a foreclosure freeze for the next 90 days at least.

John McCain hates my wife because she's a "gook."

by Steven D on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:14:16 AM EST
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I'm not opposed to a foreclosure freeze, although I'd want to be sure that it wouldn't further panic the markets.  It might be a little early to bring out that big gun, unless we're seeing a true spike in foreclosures.  In the short-run, a foreclosure freeze would just dry up even more capital, no?  
by BooMan on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:19:54 AM EST
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DOW BELOW 10,000

The mother of all bank runs is on.  Today the FEDS double to $900 billion TAF...and it isn't helping.

We're already in a credit squeeze. Companies in the S&P 100 lines of credit is shut down US companies are borrowing from their overseas subsidiaries. Guess what capital controls are not unthinkable.

Lots of CA produce was not shipped last week.

The party is over.

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:14:53 AM EST
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by Steven D on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:33:48 AM EST
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Thanks, I'm fully aware. Those circuit breaker levels were changed as at October 1. throw money at restoring Confidence
You can't Watch the advance/decline line today. Grim

so what does that do for pensions and baby boomers about to retire. Those plans will be suspended.

Nasdaq off 8% DOW off 780 points on the way to 9500

Well, "You can't vote for war and disown the results"

by idredit on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 02:47:48 PM EST
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by idredit on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:16:37 AM EST
The bad reaction is because we passed a next month solution for a today problem.

Viva Presidente Ezequiel - Aquí no hay quien viva!
by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:31:41 AM EST
If the Fed will give me 50 Billion and allow me to make a 2 or 3 percent profit on the money. I will loan it to companies who need short term "commerical paper."

And if I screw up, they can bail me out. But at least I would be "juicing" the credit markets.

I don't want a tax cut, I want a job.

by americanforliberty on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 10:50:11 AM EST
Seems like capitalism itself is on  the brink.  The ghost of Karl Marx is waltzing through Wall St chanting "It's the beginning of the end."  Wonder how the Republican fat cats will solve this crisis.  Maybe, it's time for the man on the white horse to appear.

All members of the frog pond are special.
by Daredevil Don on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 11:39:57 AM EST
Steven, like you I am a liberal moonbat fascist, and more: I have an irrational hatred for wall street and don't own anything.

Who could have predicted that throwing free money at the people who screwed the pooch to begin with wouldn't have worked?  

John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??

by brendan on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 01:57:33 PM EST
the hyperbole is fine, brendan, but inaccurate.  Not one penny has been thrown at Wall Street, yet.  You'd be more convincing as a cynic if you kept that in mind.
by BooMan on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 02:31:29 PM EST
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Do you really want to give me a lecture on hyperbole?


John Mccain Called his wife WHAT??
by brendan on Tue Oct 7th, 2008 at 09:59:14 AM EST
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Now it's time to fight over the scraps:

Citigroup Sues Wachovia, Wells Fargo Over Takeover (Update2) :

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aGFtOPHaJke8&refer=home

Viva Presidente Ezequiel - Aquí no hay quien viva!

by anarchronarchist (mincers (-at-) hotmail (-dot-) com) on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 03:29:23 PM EST
what's wrong with this picture?

the gov has just thrown a minimum of $700bn at the banks, not to mention the billions they continue to make available through the credit window ...or whatever the hell it's called...and they still won't lend anyone anything, including themselves.

the market's not buying it and they're voting with their feet and the stampeding to the exits.

according to bloomberg, deflation is becoming the elephant in the room:

As Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and his global colleagues fight the worst financial crisis since the 1930s, one danger is looming larger by the day: deflation.

With asset markets tumbling, commodity prices plunging the most in 50 years and banks keeping a tighter grip on credit, the ingredients for a sustained period of falling prices are coalescing. While inflation is still a concern for many policy makers only months after oil and food prices peaked, the risk is their patchwork of rescue and stimulus packages will fail, and prices will start to fall throughout the broader economy.

...

Prices are already falling in parts of the world economy. Home values dropped more than 10 percent in the U.K. and in the U.S. in the past year. Oil, copper and corn drove commodities toward their biggest weekly decline since at least 1956 on Oct. 3, with the Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index of 19 raw materials tumbling 10.4 percent. The Baltic Dry Index, a measure of commodity shipping costs, has dropped 75 percent since May.

...

In the U.S., prices manufacturers paid for materials last month plunged the most since at least 1948, with the Institute for Supply Management's index dropping 23.5 points to 53.5 points.

so it costs less to buy raw materials, shipping costs have dropped 75% in 4 months...given that one would expect to some relief in pricing, especially in the commodities end.

add to that the price of oil falling to a 10 month low...

Light, sweet crude for November delivery fell $6.07 to settle at $87.81 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. The price of crude has not been this low since Dec. 10, 2007 when the front-month contract settled at $87.86 a barrel.

Oil has fallen 40% since the July contract peaked at $147.27 a barrel on July 11.

the oil drum

which has opec's panties bunching up under their djellabas.

since every price increase was followed by an immediate increase at the pump for the last 10 months, it's interesting to note that gas is still over $3.65gal here, when the 40% reduction would seem to indicate that it ought to be closer to $2.50, especially given the election is 4 weeks out.

l guess it's NEW RULES time...or more simply, there are NO RULES.

as jim kunstler said back on 22 sept:

...the Thursday night Washington photo op when Treasury Secretary Paulson and Fed Chief Bernanke emerged from a huddle with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and just about every other legislative eminentissimo in an attempt to reassure the nation that its financial system had not turned into something like unto a truckload of stinking dead carp. I don't know about you, but I got two distinct vibes from the faces in that particular tableau: 1.) abject fear, and 2.) a total lack of conviction that they knew what they were doing.

l especially agree with point #2.

and BTW, wall street "only" lost 370 today...look for it to continue down...8000 looks achievable.

the revolution will not be televised...Peace

by dada on Mon Oct 6th, 2008 at 06:49:39 PM EST


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